Friday, November 27, 2020

Contradicting Trump

Trump's words of past two days
Donald Trump's words on Thanksgiving included the following:

"Certainly I will, and you know that," Trump said when asked by a reporter about leaving the White House if Biden is declared the winner on December 14. "I will and, you know that."
"It's going to be a very hard thing to concede because we know there was massive fraud," Trump said without evidence.
"As to whether or not we can get this apparatus moving quickly -- because time isn't on our side, everything else is on our side, facts are on our side, this was a massive fraud."
The President falsely added that if Biden is declared the winner, the Electoral College, "made a mistake, cause this election was a fraud."

Today, Trump tweeted
Trump irrationally inviting increased retaliation
Trump will soon lose the supreme power and protections of the Presidency.

After that happens, the legal, political, economic and social retaliation against Trump and his family for the damage Trump has inflicted on America will likely be huge.

What Trump has been doing since November 3rd will invite increased retaliation. 

Trump's current pardoning activity is particularly inviting of future retaliation against Trump and his family.

Trump seems irrational in his inviting increased retaliation against him and his family after he loses the supreme power and protections of the Presidency.

Four years of Trump has taught that Trump does whatever he wants, whether it is rational or irrational from the perspective of his self-interest. There is no dissuading Trump from an irrational course of action on which he has decided.

Trump's above words in the past two days will invite increased retaliation against Trump after he loses the power and protections of the Presidency.

Retaliation can commence by prominent parties contradicting Trump's words.

Trump's supporters
Many of Trump's supporters are aware of his irrationality, but remain silent.

Other Trump supporters speak in ways that encourage Trump in his irrationality.

Mo Brooks is one of Trump's supporters who encourages Trump's recent irrationality, per the below tweet: 

 Supporters like Mo Brooks need to be called out for their support of Trump's irrationality.


12/10/20
Voter reliance on election machinery
Election machinery in the United States is ponderous, diverse and a work in progress.
Tens of thousands of government officials and citizens strive mightily to make the machinery work well.
We vote in reliance on and trust of these officials and citizens and the hard work they do and the machinery they have in place for the voters to have a democratic election.
An election loser cannot afterwards contend the election machinery on which the voters relied in having the election should have been different machinery or operated differently, and, based on such contention, get the election invalidated or get the loser declared the winner contrary to the results that were produced.
That does not prevent the loser or anyone else from seeking to get the election machinery changed for future elections.

Sunday, November 8, 2020

Dear ALGOP, what will you do?

Dear ALGOP,

How have four years of Trump changed you?

Have you become "Trumpists"?

How do you think Trump being gone as President will change you going forward?

Will you continue being "Trumpists"?

A. Trump's fraudulent election claims
The immediate question for you is whether you will continue with touting Trump's fraudulent election claims as Trump pursues his litigations regarding same.

Connected to that question is, if Trump does not prevail in his litigations and Joe Biden becomes President on January 20th, will you support using the election fraud claims going forward to "delegitimatize" Joe Biden's presidency.

On that latter question, will you be motivated by "tit for tat" for the GOP to do against Joe Biden to "delegitimize" him as being fair retaliation for what you believe the Dems wrongfully did against Trump for four years to "delegitimize" Trump?


12/4/20
B. Go to war for country; it's a civil war
Here is what Chairman Lathan has said that those in ALGOP should do:
Will all in ALGOP go along with Chairman Lathan?

Will some in ALGOP push for a different attitude and approach?


12/9/20
C. ALGOP coupmongering is bad for AL
Trump is trying for a coup to overturn the election. 

Some in ALGOP are cheering Trump on in his coup attempt to overturn the election.

This coupmongering by Rep. Brooks, Rep. Moore and others in ALGOP is bad for America, bad for democracy and bad for the United States economy and business, including Alabama business.

Any loser of an election can pursue legal rights to contest the election. 

Historically, contesting a Presidential election after votes have been counted and results reported has been avoided, because of a shared belief about the importance to democracy that Americans believe their Presidential elections have integrity.

Richard Nixon had reason to believe that, in the extremely close 1960 Presidential election, the election was stolen from him through Democratic vote fixing in Texas and Illinois. Nixon did not contest the election, largely out of a sense of civic responsibility that great damage would have been done to America's democracy if he had.

Five weeks after the 2020 election, Trump is relentlessly trying to overturn the results of the election in ways that are hugely unacceptable and damaging to the United States.

This is happening, first, because Trump is motivated exclusively to serving his personal interests and desires, and he cares nothing about whom and what he damages in the pursuit of his self interest. In his caring only about himself, Trump has shown he gets psychological gratification from being a wrecking ball and inflicting damage on others, and that he acts on that.

Trump could not do what he doing to try to overturn the election if Trump did not have the unquestioning support of Republicans in Congress, and Trump has that support because of Trump's control and power over his base. The Republicans cannot stay in office without the support of Trump's base, so those Republicans will not act to stop Trump from what Trump is doing in trying to overturn the election.

The damage to the United States that comes from Trump's coup attempt is increased by Trump's base believing the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. This belief of Trump's base probably would not stand up if the Republicans in Congress collectively said to Trump's base that the election was not stolen from Trump. The Republicans in Congress do not do that, and the belief that the election was stolen from Trump gets more deeply ingrained in Trump's base.

After January 20th, Trump will continue telling his base that the election was stolen from him, and, using the power Trump gets from the support of his base, Trump will use their belief that the election was stolen from Trump to help him get his selfish gratification from trying to be a wrecking ball against Biden's efforts to lead the country through the virus and economic crisis. 

Trump's vindictive spite, anger and selfishness make him indifferent to whether his actions cause a slowdown in America's winning the war against the virus, in repairing the economic devastation to tens of millions of Americans as a result of the pandemic, and in getting the economy fully back on track.

The foregoing bad effects for the United States emanating from Trump causing slowdown in recovery from the pandemic will extend to Alabama and its citizens, business and economy.

The ability of Trump to cause these bad effects would be less if Republicans in Congress tell Trump's base the election was not stolen from Trump.

Leaders in Alabama business should tell the ALGOP coupmongers to cut it out.


1/6/21
D. Stark choice to be constructive or destructive
ALGOP, and particularly, our ALGOP in Congress, have a stark choice. 

They can slavishly do whatever Trump wants them to do and destructively help Trump impede our country's war against the virus and its economic devastations.

Alternatively, they can choose not to slavishly do what Trump wants them to do to impede our country's war against the virus and its economic devastations, and instead they can constructively pitch in to their utmost to help in our country's war to defeat the virus and its economic devastations. 

Chairman Lathan is staying all in with Trump, going so far as to say ‘absolutely not’ when asked if  Trump bore any blame for the attack on the Capitol.

We can keep tabs on Chairman Lathan as to whether she will be destructive after January 20th and aid Trump trying to impede our country's war against the virus and its economic devastations.


1/9/21
E. Resignation or not; impeachment
Growing calls for Trump to resign call for reaction by ALGOP.

ALGOP can consider whether Trump should resign either from the perspective of the Republican Party  or from the perspective of the country as a whole. Resignation or not can also be considered from the perspective of Trump personally.

From the above news report, Chairman Lathan would appear to be of the view that ALGOP's position should be based on what is better for the Republican Party. I will leave it for Chairman Lathan to lay out the case of why it is better for the Republican Party that Trump not resign.

I will consider the resignation question from the perspective of the country as a whole and whether it is better for the country for Trump to resign, or better that he not resign, and how much better or not. 

In Trump's Thursday night video (which is no longer accessible on Twitter), Trump said "My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power."

I would contend that will be better ensured if Trump resigns and Pence oversees transition.

I having been tweeting the below

In addition to, or perhaps part of, the goal for the country to have a smooth transition, there is or should be a objective to lessen division in the country and have a healing process.

Lessening division and healing the country faces huge obstacles. Probably the biggest obstacle is that  tens of millions of Trump supporters believe the election was stolen from him. They believe this largely because Trump has told them that and Trump has given every indication that he will not stop telling his supporters that the election was stolen from him.

The Democrats adamantly do not agree with Trump that the election was stolen from him.

Progress will not be made on the unity and healing front without progress being made on resolving the disagreement about whether the election was stolen. 

A Trump resignation would go a long way to signal that the election was not stolen from Trump, and that would help the country.

Wrapped up with the belief of Trump supporters that the election was stolen from him is a further belief that Trump did nothing wrong in his Presidency and the Democrats have been evil in their attacks on Trump during the past four years. Trump has been adamant that he has done nothing wrong during his four years, and what Trump says is a main source of the belief of his supporters that he has done nothing wrong and is being monstrously treated by the Democrats.

As with the question of whether the election was stolen, little progress can be made on the unity and healing front so long as tens of millions of Trump supporters believe Trump did nothing wrong and has been monstrously treated by the Democrats.

A Trump resignation would go a long way to being an admission by Trump that he did wrongs as President, and that admission would help the country.

All of the foregoing is good argument why it would be better for the country if Trump resigned.

If there is a case to be made that Trump would be better than Pence for accomplishing the transition, or that Trump not resigning would be better contribute to unifying and healing of the country, or if there are other reasons why it would be bad for the country for Trump to resign, that case should be laid out by Trump or someone on behalf of Trump.

Impeachment

The Democrats are threatening impeachment if Trump does not resign.

The argument being made against impeaching Trump is that impeachment would further divide the country.

If Trump will not resign, that leads to considering whether impeachment would be better for the country compared to there not being an impeachment, with particular attention to which would better contribute to unifying and healing the country.

As stated above, no progress can be made on the unity and healing front if tens of millions of Trump supporters believe the election was stolen from him. Trump has given every indication that he will not stop telling his supporters that the election was stolen from him.

Progress will not be made on the unity and healing front without progress being made on resolving the disagreement about whether the election was stolen. This is true now and will be true after January 20th; it is true whether or not there is an impeachment, and impeachment will not increase division in the country above where division is at; and impeachment could accelerate resolving the disagreement about whether the election was stolen from Trump.

There is no getting around that the country must have more resolution about whether the election was stolen and whether Trump did anything wrong. There can be intense focus on these before January 20th by means of an impeachment. Alternatively, the questions will be around for months or years adversely affecting the country's governance and politics.

Saturday, November 7, 2020

80,000,000 to 74,000,000

The national divide of 80,000,000 Americans voting for Biden and 74,000,000 Americans voting for Trump desperately needs addressing.

The national divide has been horrendous for the four years of Trump and was very bad for years before Trump.

I. Biden and Trump supporters talking to each other
I have pounded for several years in favor of the two sides to talking to each other.

I will continue pounding on that.

To proceed on this, I copy and paste here a message I received a couple of weeks ago from a European woman who has an adult daughter living in Alabama and who took took an acute interest in the election. The message said: 

Congratulations. Now you all must start the healing process. Each democrat must choose one staunch Trumpoupie, call him/her up and have them express their frustration, anger, sorrow whatever and not go into discussion. Just listen and say things like; it is very upsetting for you. Just reflect their feeling (you are so angry, so sad, so hurt etc) and no discussion. The wound must be healed by kind and understanding ‘democrats’. And that democrat must really try to build a relation with that Trumpoupie. If each democrat chooses 1, then 70 million Trumpoupies get the feeling they are understood and that may be the other side isn’t that bad. Once the anger and sadness subsides and rationality sets in it will be possible to plan together how to reunite the country again. You need a love peace happiness movement.

When I asked the woman what efforts she had made to share the above message with others, she replied: 

Well sort of spread it on as many democratic sites as possible hoping people would forward it. I get very mixed reactions. From people who really will try to people who are so hurt and offended by the Trumpers these past 4 yrs that they have no intention of even trying to become ‘United’ again. It is very worrisome this split in your country. I just wonder what the human glue could be that glues you together again. Not money. Too much research has already proven that money is a very short lived bandaid. May be the potable water needs to be diluted with cannabis oil. Cannabis mellows people up. However the Trumpers I contacted are so frustrated and angry now, reacting like upset children ready to start fighting. And some - even on the support group page - have admitted they will start the 2nd civil war. I try to mellow up 1 Trumper at the time, but they are convinced the election was stolen. How do you reason with angry people if reasoning is not what they are capable of and revenge is?

 

II. Best interest of our Country
Donald Trump has now used the words "in the best interest of our Country." Discussions about what is in the best interest of our Country might be productive.



III. Is this crazy? [added 12/12/20]
I have succeeded in accomplishing one conversation, which is set out below:

Beat back baseless election fraud claims

It seems that Trump will plunge America into an orgy over his baseless claims of election fraud.

The Trumpster side in Alabama is going full tilt at fomenting doubt about the legitimacy of the election that will put Joe Biden in the White House.

They have their political agenda, and that political agenda will undermine President Biden in leading America through the pandemic.

Those who want President Biden to succeed in leading America through the pandemic need to battle against the baseless election fraud claims that the Trumpster side is seeking to foment.

This includes Alabamians who want President Biden to succeed in leading America through the pandemic.

A roster needs to be established of Alabamians who will battle back against the Alabama Trumpsters who are spreading Trump's baseless election fraud claims in Alabama.

Brian Lyman can be put first on this roster. 


11/30/20
This blog entry needs updating.
For 4 weeks Trump's has been relentless in making his election fraud claims.
The more Trump has failed in the courts with his fraud claims, the more outlandish Trump and his team have become with conspiracy theories.
Yesterday, Trump extended his conspiracy theories to include the FBI and the Department of Justice participating in rigging the election.
On Twitter there continues much backing of Trump's election fraud conspiracy theories. See hashtag #StoptheSteal on Twitter.
In Alabama, the battle against Trump's baseless election fraud claims goes on.
Brian Lyman and other print reporters have been doing good work.
Alabama TV news programs, in reporting on Trump's election fraud claims, report on Trump's mounting losses in court, and they frequently include "editorial" statements about there being no evidence of fraud that warrants any changing of election results.
Some in ALGOP and "conservative" commentators and radio talk shows are continuing with purveying baseless election fraud claims.
For additional work I have done the past 4 weeks, see Where are Alabama's leadersWill John Merrill get blamed, and Contradicting Trump.

Trump and truth and facts
For four years, Trump supporters have accepted that Trump says whatever he wants, regardless of truth and facts.
They have also accepted that Trump does questionable things that no other politician would do. 
Trump's motivations in saying what he says, regardless of truth and facts, and for doing things no other politician would do, are best known to Trump.
Other persons, including Trump supporters, are left to speculations about Trump's motives, particularly when it seems Trump is hurting and not helping himself with things he says or does.
With things that are contrary to truth and facts, it unclear whether Trump knows the things are contrary to truth and facts, or whether Trump does not believe there are truth and facts so he does not know what is contrary to truth and facts (i.e., Trump is detached from reality).
Regardless of what Trump thinks, other persons, including Trump supporters, have their own beliefs about truth and facts and have opinions about whether things Trump says are contrary to truth and facts. 
Trump supporters may themselves be like Trump and be indifferent to truth and facts or not believe in truth and facts.
Persons who believe there are truth and facts consider truth and facts to be important for various reasons, including for making their personal decisions in life, for their employers making good business decisions from which they benefit, and for their government making policy decisions and taking actions that affect them.
Trump is extremely problematic for persons who believe that there are truth and facts because, as President, Trump affects matters of the country's governance and, if he makes decisions with indifference to truth and facts, those decisions may be bad for the country. 
This gets exacerbated if Trump supporters believe things Trump says that are contrary to truth and facts, or they are indifferent to truth and facts like Trump, which increases Trump's power to disregard truth and facts in making decisions.
The foregoing has come to a culmination in Trump's month long pursuit of his claims of election fraud.
Fair elections, and citizens' beliefs in there being fair elections, are critical to our democracy.
Because of Trump's election fraud claims, untold numbers of Americans believe there was massive fraud in the 2020 election and the election was "stolen" by the Democrats.
There are also Trump supporters who believe that Trump's election fraud claims are baseless but who nonetheless support and participate with Trump in purveying his election fraud claims.
These latter Trump supporters especially need to be beaten back.

12/10/20
Voter reliance on election machinery
Election machinery in the United States is ponderous, diverse and a work in progress.
Tens of thousands of government officials and citizens strive mightily to make the machinery work well.
We vote in reliance on and trust of these officials and citizens and the hard work they do and the machinery they have in place for the voters to have a democratic election. 
An election loser cannot afterwards contend the election machinery on which the voters relied in having the election should have been different machinery or operated differently, and, based on such contention, get the election invalidated or get the loser declared the winner contrary to the results that were produced.
That does not prevent the loser or anyone else from seeking to get the election machinery changed for future elections.

Monday, November 2, 2020

What did you do to reduce polarization?

1/9/21
I posted this blog entry in blank form on Nov. 2, 2020, the day before election day November 3rd.

I left this blog entry in blank form until Jan. 9, 2021.

I will now write in this blog entry and discuss the future as well as the past, and also be more generally asking and discussing "what the hell will you do now politically."

To reduce polarization, I have been long calling for conversation between the two sides. See Can the two sides talk?

To reduce polarization, I have also done much tweeting and blogging on the Fake News problem, which is connected to the problem of the two sides not talking to each other. For accessing this, go to https://twitter.com/search?q=fake%20news%20(from%3Arobshattuckal06)&src=typed_query&f=live


8/17/21


9/11/21